|Answer: Firstly it is not correct to say that our society is
losing interest in religion. In my opinion, people are even more inclined to
religion than before. However, both tendencies exist. The population has grown
considerably. That is why many people seem to be showing more interest in
religion and many others seem to be losing interest in it. I believe that, at
least in the Punjab, mosques have more attendance than, for example, what I saw
forty years ago when I started my public life. I still remember that when I had
visited the Frontier province I was astonished to see the mosque full for the
morning prayers. Similarly, when I visited Karachi for the first time I was
amazed to see that the mosque was so full the prayer hall looked like a Friday
Congregation. What struck me more was that the people there would not go to bed
till 2 am, yet in the morning they were there in the mosques. Contrarily in the
Punjab less people seemed to be devoted to religion. However, thankfully, I see
youngsters showing inclination towards religion. Of course Satan is also at
Satan is always at work. All the things that we dread: rising
disunity, change in behaviour of the people, appearance of so many religious
sects, spread of evil – and we say: “Would that God Almighty save us from this
situation.” It would have been great. But perhaps it is an essential need for
the test that Allah has prepared for us. The reason is that if all these
troubles exist, only then will we be able to show what our attitude is regarding
right and wrong. Man has to find his way through this disunity and has to look
for light in this darkness. In a test like this he has to make the right
decisions for himself. So I feel that if you see it from this angle, you need
When I see this universe, the first question that comes to me
is that on what principle has it been created? Has it been made on the principle
of justice? Or on the principle of fairness? Or on the principle of blessings?
The Quran says “No”. It says that it is made on the principle of a “test”.
There is no doubt that it is a complete world if we see it from this aspect. In
our own lives, we are put to a test of knowledge, of reason, of understanding,
Despite all this there is no doubt that there is great
contribution by religious scholars in the training of the Muslim nation. And the
truth is that contribution is expected from two classes of the people.
It is either the contribution of the leaders and the rulers,
as they pay their role in forming the nation, or that of the scholars or
intellectuals. The rest of the people are only followers. So the contribution of
scholars, especially religious scholars, has been great for the Jews, it has
been great for the Christians, and it has not ended to date for them, and the
contribution of the scholars with the Muslims has remained extraordinary.
Whenever they noted that the leaders had failed to fulfil their responsibilities
they pointed this out to the people. This is how they tried to reform them,
tried to correct their flaws and shortcomings and tried to correct gaps in their
In this aspect, the sacrifices of the scholars and the way
they delivered the message have remained a very bright chapter of our history.
But for the past two hundred years a tragedy has occurred for Muslims. Once the
Muslim nation was a super power in the world. Muslims were running the world and
they faced certain challenges. Here is when in the past few centuries Muslims
have, due to their own doings, earned the punishment of Allah in the same way as
did the Israelites. Consequently, Allah has subjugated them to the rule of the
enemies, one after the other.
Muslims then needed to seriously consider this subjugation,
analyze it, determine their shortcomings, and see what they should do to correct
themselves. The Qur’ān itself offers great guidance on this issue too. However,
our scholars were accustomed to the part of guidance provided by the Qur’ān that
was valid for the times of power, strength and glory. So they were not able to
adjust themselves for such a changed situation.
What message did the scholars have for Muslims at this point?
Earlier power and glory were established, there was a powerful government
present. Frequently Muslims behaved like superpowers. So all was easy for the
In this changed situation, however, they had never had any
experience to study the part of the Qur’ān that would guide them when they are
facing loss of both intellectual, spiritual and material power and glory. This
had never been a part of their study. How could it be discussed as there was no
need to? Such situations had been faced and tackled by the prophets of God who
had already departed.
Consequently the Muslims reacted negatively. Their emotional
response and the desire to regain their glory were two things which when
combined managed to produce an unbalanced mental view. The approach the Muslims
adopted in this situation has turned out to be wrong. As a result of this
approach, violence rose among Muslims, extremism increased, impatience became
rampant and to obtain political ascendancy became their sole aim. They stopped
realizing their responsibilities, and many leaders too invited people to this
goal to achieve their political interests and become the rulers.
It is obvious that the law of God would not allow the
realization of this goal. The Qur’ān clearly states that it was not achievable
that way. When it could not be achieved Muslims suffered frustration. In the
first phase of frustration the leadership often controls its effects. However,
in the second phase only such type of leaders arise that we see among us today
—those who tie bombs to themselves. This is the problem now with our Muslim
nation. Now a major difficulty has been created for those people who understand
such situations and attempt to guide people. The reason is that what they say is
no longer attractive to many people despite the fact that it is based on the
I would not be exaggerating in saying that the present
leaders are inviting people to something that has not been mentioned in the
Qur’ān at more than a few places, but what the Muslims should do in this
situation has been mentioned in the Book thousands of times. But no one seems to
understand this point. This is precisely the problem.
(Translated from the Urdu transcript by Tariq Mahmood Hashmi)